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Racism, Atheism, And Psychedelics: My Conversation with Peter Boghossian

"One of the things the last ten years has taught us is how easy it is to brainwash people."

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On Monday, January 13th, I appeared on Conversations with Peter Boghossian to discuss my new book, Redefining Racism. Since Peter and I are both affiliated with Atheists for Liberty, we also discussed the social utility of religion, how atheists can replace it, and how DMT trip-reports should change our metaphysical understanding of the universe.

Peter’s work on atheism, persuasion, and exposing the fraud of academic “social justice” has all had an enormous impact on my own work, and I’m proud to count Peter as a friend. I first met Peter when we were both helping to establish the Foundation Against Intolerance & Racism in early 2021 and getting to know him was one of the biggest highlights of my time there. If you don’t already, make sure that you follow Peter’s Substack, where he conducts some of the most interesting conversations on the internet.

Below the embedded video, you’ll find an edited transcription of some of the most interesting sections from our discussion.

— Jake

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