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I’m a big fan of Salome and her brave work. I love listening to her speak and she’s one of my favorite people to follow on Instagram for the positivity and critical thinking she spreads. However, this article really bothered me, and after sleeping on why that is, I have come back to point some things out. It’s not that her research led her to a different conclusion than mine—the intellectual process will lead people to different conclusions. And knowing her work (which is great), I also trust her integrity and intelligence.

Rather it is the certainty with which she presents her ideas without acknowledging how America-centric her views are.

She was able to come to a different conclusion because of “a practice of intellectual humility and self-awareness.” But then goes on to say “In hindsight, Zionism will be seen as far more destructive and morally indefensible than vaccine mandates or lockdowns—mistakes the Right is fond of imagining how history will portray. We will look back on Zionism with the same moral disdain that most of us look at any ethno-nationalism with.” She also "[knows her] position will eventually be vindicated..."

This to me seems like the height of hubris especially from someone who admits they didn’t know much about this country or history prior to October 7. She also doesn’t mention any conversations with Israelis anywhere in her article.

There are two main issues I have with the way the argument is presented:

1. It seems that Jake Klein, her partner, is her main source of dialogue on this issue. He is an American Jew and therefore has not lived out the realities of Zionism and Israel. It’s really something to see Americans (Pro-Palestinian activists, Americans of Arab descent, and American Jews) suck up all the air on this topic and talk over the Israelis and Palestinians who are the only ones who will have to live with the realities of what “we Americans decide for them.” My suggestion to Salome would be to listen to Haviv Rettig Gur, Einat Wilf, Hamza Howidy, Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, and Unapologetic: The Third Narrative to better understand the conflict. I would argue that it’s not simply Zionism v. anti-Zionism as she posits here. There is a symmetry to the conflict that Salome misses. I would argue that it’s actually two sided within Israel (maximalism vs coexistence) and two sided within the Palestinian camp (also maximalism vs coexistence). When you can see the 4 options, you can better understand the path towards peace. And my belief is that it’s not by fighting against the Jewish state. One question to help make this clearer—in the event of a two-state solution, would any Jews live under Palestinian rule? Reasonable people would agree no they would not; and yet it is Israel that is ethno-nationalist? Sometimes definitions will only get you so far before you need to look at what’s actually happening on the ground.

2. Secondly, she diagnoses that the entire cause of the I/P conflict is Zionism itself: “Zionism is the origin of and an obstacle to resolving the present day conflict felt by all caught in its wake.” Now this is really something when you take into account the entire history of the region and its violence against ethnic minorities, the extreme levels of hatred and racism that led to the Holocaust and were the catalyst for the creation of Israel that would eventually save countless lives. I was only familiar with about half of the points of ugly history she brings up, but they are all contextualized within the violence and suffering the Jews were facing. The way it’s presented in the article is to drive home a point, but it presents an extremely narrow view of what was going on. Now all of this does raise a fair question—in the face of existential threat (as the Jews did between the late 1800s up until the founding of Israel) are we to lay down and die because of our ideals? Or is it also our responsibility to live? That’s really something to think about.

This is the problem with American voices overtaking those who must actually live out these realities. Salome even makes the point that America solves the problems of ethno-nationlism through “a nation that could belong to anyone who shared its ideals, regardless of identity.” The key here being *sharing its ideals*. It’s pretty clear throughout the Middle East and within the Palestinian Territories that this is not the case. So how exactly would American ideals work in this context? It’s the same problem as the professor who teaches about business theory, but has never actually done business. When your theories exist within a laboratory, you can never understand their limits.

Classical liberalism and individualism are values and ideals that should be upheld as goals to which we aim, but we can’t always perfectly live up to them. That’s why America for example will always be an “imperfect union.” Why? Because we have ideals that we want to move towards, but the nature of humanity and of reality unfortunately means we will always fall short.

Now I’m ready for Salome to respond and make me think again ;)

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I have nothing but the upmost respect and admiration for you Salome. That is why this is not a easy thing to say, but I feel that while this was a well-written article, I strongly disagree with it. The article lacks nuance on the subject matter and is too one sided I feel. Also, there are a number of historical inaccuracies. However, I do admire your approach of not joining one team or another and being fiercely independent as always! A few points I would make are:

• The Palestinians did not welcome Jewish immigration and did not yet call themselves “Palestinians” at the time, they simply identified as “Arabs.”

• David Ben-Gurion never wanted to sacrifice Jewish children to create a Jewish state. He was a pragmatist who worked with the British and would take any Jewish state no matter how small he could get. He was not a fanatic.

• Zionism calls for a Jewish state but NOT an exclusively Jewish state. Upon Israel’s victory in the 1948 war, the hundreds of thousands of Arabs living within the state’s borders received citizenship and voting rights. There were also three Arab MPs in the Knesset. They received full equal rights in 1966.

• Vladimir Jabotinsky never to my knowledge, wanted to conquer any land beyond that of the biblical Israel. He also believed the two million Arabs brought under Israel’s control should have equal rights.

• There were many pogroms against the Jews of the holy land such as the 1929 Hebron Massacre and the Arab Revolts in the 1930s.

• Israel is NOT an ethno-state, did you know there are Arab judges on the Israeli Supreme Court?

• Also, Arab athletes represent Israel on the international stage and a Latino Jew from Israel was recently crowned Miss Universe. Arab Christians outperform Israeli Jews for certain college degrees.

• Lastly, 30% of all Israeli doctors are Arab as are 50% of the pharmacists

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